“Our reward system is - how many papers, how many citations, how many grants… and what enamoured me as I got started in my career was the idea that none of that really matters if you haven't made a difference in people's lives. So the question really is - what's the value of the information you're producing? And how can you do it in a way that that makes a difference?”

“We’re trying to develop clinical trials ourselves, to look at this combination of clinical point testing, where we can actually do that very robust analysis of saying, what's going on in terms of blood gases, what's going on in terms of bicarbonate, what's going on in terms of pH? How is that affecting patients at rest and in movement, and how does that correlate with symptoms?”

“I would word this as a massive public health problem… crisis that most of the world is yawning through and sleepwalking through. I think people are sleepwalking through this because it's too invisible.”

“when people say what's the magic recipe for treating people well, there is no magic recipe you actually have to individualise you know, because Because Because one treatment for one person will actually totally backfire for the other person. So I do think it's, it's, you know, we're learning a lot about this is a very complex condition.”

“We're tracking heart rate variability, heart rates, and we're also tracking posture as well. It's a really important one. We know that underlying these conditions is some level of dysautonomia, I think 70% or so people with Long Covid would qualify, or would fail the NASA lean test.”

“I think we will end up in a position that we accept that Long Covid is multiple different conditions that are triggered by the same virus, but result in different consequences.”

“Mindfulness is one of the things we do. Basically, the idea is to allow people to feel like themselves and not to allow this painful, unsettling reality to divert from that. Because even when we suffer, and we do suffer - all human beings, or listeners of this podcast - it's never really perfect, and sometimes it's really horrendous… We are still ourselves.”